KET: SOS and AG. Commissioner debates.
Candidates for Secretary of State, Incumbent Trey Grayson (R) and Bruce Hendrickson (D) spared on KET last night. I watched it, and if you did NOT, you can watch it.
I thought both candidates did very well, but that incumbency helped Trey win the debate as he had a BETTER command of the issues. (As a GREAT advocate of paper trail for voting, I thought Bruce scored a good point with his suggestion that if McDonald's restaurant can give its customers a receipt for their purchase, there is NO reason why government CANNOT do the same after we vote to ensure that our votes will count).
The second debate was for the candidates for Commissioner for Agriculture between incumbent Richie Farmer (R) and David L. Williams (D). I watched the debate, but if you didn't, you can watch it here.
Again, I thought both candidates did very well (in spite of David's speech handicap), though Richie didn't avail himself of the benefit of his incumbency the way Trey did.
Those are my two cents, what are yours?
Here's the rest of the debates schedules:
# Auditor of Public Accounts
Candidates on ballot: Linda Greenwell (R), Crit Luallen (D)*
Thursday, October 4 at 8:00/7:00 pm CT
# State Treasurer
Candidates on ballot: L.J. “Todd” Hollenbach (D), Melinda L. Wheeler (R)
Thursday, October 4 at 8:30/7:30 pm CT
# Attorney General
Candidates on ballot: Jack Conway (D), Stan Lee (R)
Monday, October 8 at 8:00/7:00 pm CT
R Wednesday, October 10 at 2:00/1:00 am CT
# Governor I
Candidates on ballot: Steven L. Beshear (D), Ernie Fletcher (R)*
Monday, October 15 at 8:00/7:00 pm CT
R Wednesday, October 17 at 2:00/1:00 am CT
# Lieutenant Governor
Candidates on ballot: Daniel Mongiardo (D), Robbie Rudolph (R)
Monday, October 22 at 8:00/7:00 pm CT
R Wednesday, October 24 at 2:00/1:00 am CT
# Governor II
Candidates on ballot: Steven L. Beshear (D), Ernie Fletcher (R)*
Monday, October 29 at 8:00/7:00 pm CT
R Wednesday, October 31 at 2:00/1:00 am CT
# indicates an incumbent.
I thought both candidates did very well, but that incumbency helped Trey win the debate as he had a BETTER command of the issues. (As a GREAT advocate of paper trail for voting, I thought Bruce scored a good point with his suggestion that if McDonald's restaurant can give its customers a receipt for their purchase, there is NO reason why government CANNOT do the same after we vote to ensure that our votes will count).
The second debate was for the candidates for Commissioner for Agriculture between incumbent Richie Farmer (R) and David L. Williams (D). I watched the debate, but if you didn't, you can watch it here.
Again, I thought both candidates did very well (in spite of David's speech handicap), though Richie didn't avail himself of the benefit of his incumbency the way Trey did.
Those are my two cents, what are yours?
Here's the rest of the debates schedules:
# Auditor of Public Accounts
Candidates on ballot: Linda Greenwell (R), Crit Luallen (D)*
Thursday, October 4 at 8:00/7:00 pm CT
# State Treasurer
Candidates on ballot: L.J. “Todd” Hollenbach (D), Melinda L. Wheeler (R)
Thursday, October 4 at 8:30/7:30 pm CT
# Attorney General
Candidates on ballot: Jack Conway (D), Stan Lee (R)
Monday, October 8 at 8:00/7:00 pm CT
R Wednesday, October 10 at 2:00/1:00 am CT
# Governor I
Candidates on ballot: Steven L. Beshear (D), Ernie Fletcher (R)*
Monday, October 15 at 8:00/7:00 pm CT
R Wednesday, October 17 at 2:00/1:00 am CT
# Lieutenant Governor
Candidates on ballot: Daniel Mongiardo (D), Robbie Rudolph (R)
Monday, October 22 at 8:00/7:00 pm CT
R Wednesday, October 24 at 2:00/1:00 am CT
# Governor II
Candidates on ballot: Steven L. Beshear (D), Ernie Fletcher (R)*
Monday, October 29 at 8:00/7:00 pm CT
R Wednesday, October 31 at 2:00/1:00 am CT
# indicates an incumbent.
Labels: Democratism, Kentucky politics, Public Service, Republicanism
posted by KYJurisDoctor at 10:48 AM
4 Comments:
The vote receipt issue is own that looks good on the surface, but upon further review, this is a terrible idea.
Imagine if you are a vote buyer and receipts are a reality. The transaction becomes much more attractive if you pay for a receipt, actual proof of a vote, instead of a vote you can't prove.
Flawed argument, for two OBVIOUS reasons:
(1) Vote buying is ILLEGAL -- just ask Bath County people and their officials. They make up the population of the Federal prison in Kentucky (slight exaggeration, of course);
and, (2) the vote receipt, unlike the McDonald's meal receipt (which shows the buyer whether or not you had French Fries with that, and everything else you actually bought), DOES NOT show the ILLEGAL vote buyer that you ACTUALLY voted according to the vote buyer's wishes!
For all the vote buyer knows with the receipt, you could have voted for his opponent.
As someone jokingly told me his father told him, first you get the money and the whiskey, then you go and vote for who you want!!
You are wrong on both accords.
First, saying that something is illegal does not mean it won't be done. I'm not sure how to argue this due to its obvious nature. How about, bank robbery is illegal so banks don't need security systems and safes.
And you are wrong about the receipts Hendrickson is advocating. He wants a receipt with who you voted for on them. It's his version of a paper trial.
Flawed again.
Armed robbery is ILLEGAL. That's why we have laws against it. The banks may install security cameras, if they choose, but the installation of cameras is NOT a pre-requisite for enforcing the robbery laws.
So it is with voting. Vote buying is ILLEGAL, and there are NO pre-requisites to the laws' enforcemnt.
That is why you are "not sure how to argue this", as you stated, and NOT because of "it's obvious nature" as you concluded.
As for Hendrickson "advocating a receipt with who you voted for on them [--] his version of a paper trial", as you put it, I'm afraid I do NOT know that to be the case or not. He'll have to come here to defend himself.
All I know is that, if you are right in your claim about what Hendrickson advocates, then Hendrickson is ABSOLUTELY WRONG on that one, and his plan would SURELY be found by to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL by the courts, in my view!
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